Minutes final Community Hangout March 5 - Topic: Open Knowledge community identity
These are the hangout minutes, a combination of raw notes taken by Christian and Kersti:
Participants:
Christian Villum, International Community Manager
Neal Bastek, Network Engagement Director
Kersti Ruth Wissenbach, OK NL ambassador, open development working group
Aaron Wolf, co-founder snowdrift.coop, free culture, open science/open source software organisation, member of OD-community
Naomi Lillie, Network Director
Svetlana Belkin, Open Science Working Group - started Planet Open Science
Mor Rubinstein, OK Israel
Alexandre Hannud Abdo, Open Knowledge Brazil, Open Science Brazil WG
Susanne Kendler, Communications Manager
Notes
- Intro by Kersti WissenbachAmbassador Open Knowledge NL, Open
Development movement + many other hats
- External PhD researcher at University of Amsterdam, researching transnational activism
- Transnational activism, using new information technology > new interactions emerge -
- How does this shape our identity? Open approach to research, grounded theory, no pre-defined hypothesis when applying grounded theory researchers explore concepts that function as a
starting point for the analysis > sensitizing concepts
- Through initial, very open empiric research as well as consulting existing theory to a certain extend I will identify first key concepts to focus on
- Starting point two more open hangouts on identity and inclusion - Kersti will work on more specific categorizations and dive deeper into the community structure etc.
Next steps will derive from there
Further methods will follow
- Using Open Knowledge as case-study: Community has grown immensely over the last couple of years, presents interesting case
- OK as case study > became interesting with rapid growth on a more dispersed scale and therefore new questions in terms of > handling such dispersed community online and offline> observing how growth and increasing diversity shapes and potentially challenges a community
identity and inclusion >> derived from community session during OKFest last year
A forum has been made available
http://discuss.okfn.org/category/exploring-the-ok-identity
Idea to have discussions here, explore in depth > research >> guided by community evolvement and issues of concern etc. >> therefore forum > as open space to comment question, raise issues, etc. for everyone!
And where Kersti will feedback all research steps back to community
Minutes from hangouts will be put there
Feedback from research will be put there
Topic 1st hangout: Community identity evolved from discussion last year at OKFestival
Discussion: Community identity
Q: What is OK for you…?
- Concerns over data-centric brand roll-out
- Community was sort of overruled by decision
- Knowledge now seems to take a lesser role than data
- Identity-wise this plays a big role, and there are concrete concerns over that
Q: Overarching question that came from earlier discussions on lists about this: >> What are we? Are we a movement, community, a network?
‘If we define ourselves we restrict our power’
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Comparison to Free Culture Foundation, talks about many of the same
issues - less science, less tech, more culture
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But Open Knowledge as organisation has been much more robust (in comparison) - gained more
audience due to coordination and operations
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Would like to see Open Knowledge (organisation and/or community?) continues to be the
overarching organisation for everything open, very inclusive, very holistic Nature of knowledge
as a broad concept (open, free, respect people …) as an identity
issues sort of key issue is the broad scope of the community rather
than being tech or data centric
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So to certain level OK should be able to be all > network, movement, community and
organisation >> holistic approach that tries to be not just an organisation and not just a movement OK network of networks, different network in all kind of communities and one big community.
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also, thematic options, regional options, which makes it very complex
layers and layers of identity, commitment and activities within the
network we are doing a history, looking at how we can gain from one
another without being siloed who gains from what? challenge but a
good one!
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Hard to make definition of open knowledge Structure of governance
should be open to many definitions, loose networks, many topics
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Defining ourselves restricts us
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Open Knowledge is a network of networks, but also an overarching community (identity) -
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makes it complicated to talk about a shared identity. Different layers of
identity and involvement. Intense discussions last year about this,
prompted by brand roll-out - is a sign of passion, commitment and
engagement. > although intense it was a good sign
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one chapter recently discussed definition and saw that they need one that enables
to include a variety of characteristics! >> ‘If we define ourselves
we restrict our power’
Wish expressed to try to describe what the shared interest of people is?Still sense of belonging to each other
Q: How do we relate to each other? What ties us together, what is the common denominator?
Thematic relation?Value based relation?
- It’s okay for people to have different identities, different reasons
to engage.
- How do we interface? Hard to define, but would be useful.
It seems we need several interfaces, very context specific. the
variety of possibilities to connect with the community is what makes
it interesting for people. But question how to interface with
different things
- We are a network that happens to have an organisation connected to it >> so an interface that helps people join the movement but not needed for the movement to have its own identity
- There is clearly a shared set of values Are they?
Discussions last year showed divergence!! very important that people
interact with people outside of their bubbles (e.g. working groups)
and this is possible due to the community structure but we have to
foster it and remember that there are people working in different
ways!!!
- whole data focus thing was a symptom of making sure to think
about what other people’s views are.
- Idea that it is a diverse community has to be clear / recognized
- Open Knowledge website does no longer reflect the diversity, it now
only circles around open data, appears very tech-centric everything
looks like we are data driven, everything is about data > people who
join the website today would never guess that there is anything not
data driven
- Lots of topics are no longer represented, i.e Public
Domain Review, OpenGLAM New visitors will get a totally different
impression than what, members in the call confirmed this. Tangible
level vs. discursive level, for instance many of the events are
centered about doing (often technical), but there is a lot of other
activities (ie. OpenGLAM community)
- Branding process did not invite community input, diversity should be communicated much more clearly.
Q: How do we (as community newcomers) make our way into the community?
- Local Groups or more via the main/general materials
- Hard to figure out how to get involved
- Too much information on the main website and still
information is also very scattered
- Much information on site sometimes
causing reluctance to suggestion new projects
- encouraging people would
help them to speak up…Handholding is important, and that is why the
website is so important as a communicative tool
- Looking at the site doesn’t make you want to join, whereas talking to someone often helps (ie. locally)
- Many don’t have someone locally who can introduce them
and show them around
- Often topics are the gateway people use to become
acquainted with the Open Knowledge community, ie. open government
people invite other to join a specific group
- There are many clicks from okfn.org to any of the working groups - and even further from the discussion lists (interaction windows are very hidden)
- entrance point into community often online but difficult to figure out how to
really connect with people > from online to offline main dynamic into
community?
- face to face contact to get to people is quite hidden in OK
online architecture, which is not the case if you go to people
directly…on the ground
For community managers would be interesting to know why it is difficult to join groups, what are the obstacles
how you get from local to global or the other way around is how you make it accessible…
Q: How are we mainly connected within the community?
R1: Entry point on global level and then eventually hearing about someone locally doing sth similar
R2: found OK via google search, didn’t know anyone from the community. network in own country not so strong but still moving. local group not an OK group but very active.
R3: on national level also other movements representing openness that are not necessarily related to OK but what is happening now is that OK Brazil is trying to make things more accessible
Q: From activist to OK or OK and then becoming activist?
goes both ways
not specifically OK project that he is working on but if it turned out to be a more formal OK thing could be great
Had already been involved with his stuff and then got involved with OK through reaching out to like minded people…Was finding ways to connect with like-minded people and show what people are doing in open science context, when coming across OK
Next steps
Follow-up session:
Community Inclusion
There will be a Hangout about this, details date will be announced on forum and mailinglists minutes will be shared in forum
stronger engagement activities for people to make use of forum
planned: extracting main questions from hangout minutes and post one every 2 weeks to stir discussion
Meta
Forum needs better email integration