Entry for spending / uy


#1

So, I was the reviewer to this submission, but I am thinking that this is a procurement site more than a spending site.

@danielcarranza @gustavo_uy and @fabrizio_scrollini - Why should we consider this site as spending? though it is detailed (and even details null purchases). Can you see grants there as well?
http://comprasestatales.gub.uy/consultas/buscar/tipo-pub/ADJ/tipo-compra/PR/tipo-doc/C/filtro-cat/CAT/tipo-orden/DESC


#2

Hi Mor, I agree with you that this is procurement data not spending. By the way, the evaluation for spending indicates that this dataset is not open when it uses open spending standards.
https://catalogodatos.gub.uy/dataset/credito-presupuestal-asignado-y-ejecutado.
Because of the volume of information is in a zip file, but contains CSV.

Regards,
Gustavo.


#3

Thanks Gustavo.

When I aprroved this, I had a slight feeling that it is actually procurement and not spending, but @danielcarranza marked it spending it was so detailed that it is confusing. Tagging @georgneu here to show him an example of when spending is confused with procurement by users.


#4

The link is broken and I can’t download the file. :frowning:
cc @gustavo_uy


#5

Hi @gustavo_uy,

Thanks for the pointer! The link does not work for me either. Also it’s interesting to hear more about standards of open spending. Do you mean our GODI criteria, or anything else? Would love to learn more about your position. In these regards we got some interesting feedback from @Enrique_Zapata last year about Mexico’s results of spending data. I think it is worthwhile to elaborate more on standards and recommendations that are currently practiced (or not).

Best
Danny


#6

Hello

There seems to be a mistake in the link uploaded. The spending information is http://agev.opp.gub.uy/advni/ http://agev.opp.gub.uy/advni/
Apparently the site is temporarily down. I flagged this issue to the owner of th website. Spending and Procurement data are different things.
Best
Fabrizio


#7

Sorry Mor, they actually have a DNS problem, but they think that it will be available soon… just in case; I asked the owner of this data to upload them to the catalogue instead of linking to them. I’ll let you know as soon as posible when the data is online again.


#8

Sorry if I messed up :scream:
As Fabrizio said, the spending data -although annoyingly down right now- is AGEV’s.
It’s not much use right now since the same link is down but in the catalogue you can see a description: https://catalogodatos.gub.uy/dataset/credito-presupuestal-asignado-y-ejecutado-con-aperturas

I think it should fit the criteria, since it’s classified by programme area and budget programme, project, “inciso” (subdivision within budget law if I remember correctly) y executing unit, kind of expenditure, financing source and object of the spending.


#9

Hi Danny, we are going to start working on standards for open data with the local open data working group in a few weeks, if you have questions or need feedback about some specific issues please let me know so I can send it to all my local colleagues.

Best,
Gustavo.-


#10

I think it’s ok now.

Best,
Gustavo.-


#11

You can also get the data from:
http://www.agev.opp.gub.uy/observatorio/servlet/mainportadaadvni (visualization)
http://www.agev.opp.gub.uy/advni/acceso_datos.html


#12

Chino, you are good!
This is one of many examples when procurement start is confused with
spending data by submitters (and sometimes governments get confused too!).
I just thought I should bring it up here so we can make sure the right data
source is in place. So good to tackle it here!


#13

Hi all,

thanks so much for the help. I was checking the URLs you sent, I’m not sure whether this data is compliant since it does not show single transactions (but percentages of past payments for single budget items). So the transactional level is not given in this case.

Please do jump in if you know of another resource we could consult.

In any case it would be good to have a conversation about how we can refine our definitions in future editions (how to support the publication of transactional spending data? How to refine what spending data we are looking for - payments for services, grants, etc.)


#14

Hi all, I think that it’s impossible to reach such level of granularity of the data at the national level. Each single transaction depends on each agency’s system; so, try to consolidate this volume of information from several sources it seems impossible to me at this time.


#15

Good point. I just recently read this piece: https://www.datacoalition.org/this-data-set-took-six-years-to-create-worth-every-moment/ and it made me wonder whether we need another way to measure this data category